So, I now have complete, Matt Damon/Daniel Craig-class psychic x-ray vision in Texas Hold 'Em. Which is to say, I don't suck so bad and I'm up over the past two years :)
I'm looking to branch out to Omaha. I'm finding it a much more complex game in terms of starting hand evaluation and a much more simple game in terms of post-flop play (no nuts = no bet is working for me as an initial strategy :) )
I'm playing micro-limit ring right now. I don't have a good enough sense of the hands to start in on tournaments and I'm looking to not repeat my Hold 'Em mistake of learning at the expensive tables :)
Any good book recommendations (ring or tourney?)
I'm looking to branch out to Omaha. I'm finding it a much more complex game in terms of starting hand evaluation and a much more simple game in terms of post-flop play (no nuts = no bet is working for me as an initial strategy :) )
I'm playing micro-limit ring right now. I don't have a good enough sense of the hands to start in on tournaments and I'm looking to not repeat my Hold 'Em mistake of learning at the expensive tables :)
Any good book recommendations (ring or tourney?)
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05/21Omaha is not a game, it's a disease. Rather than a book, seek psychiatric help. -
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05/21> Omaha is not a game, it's a disease. Rather than a book, seek psychiatric help.
Interesting. Care to elaborate? Friends don't let friends play Omaha? :)
It does seem to be well nigh impossible to get a read on what people are playing, especially in H/L. My strategy so far has been to limp in or call small raises, look to have very near the high and/or low nuts, push when I do, back off when I don't.
But that all counts on being able to see a cheap flop. (cheap = ~1/10 the average 3 way pot) I have no idea how one would play limit. -
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05/21I've mostly played limit omaha-- other versions have only become popular in the last few years. You playing PLO? PLO8?
I've found it to be a maddening, frustrating game played limit. The moronic suckout is always going to be there-- you'll lose all manner of pots to pure bumbling idiocy. -
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05/21> I've mostly played limit omaha
> you'll lose all manner of pots to pure bumbling idiocy
Yeah, i can see where limit would really get you down. Even if you're UBER tight with your starting hands, chances are the nuts is going to hit some bizzarro combination that you'd never see played in Hold 'Em.
But, if bumbling idiocy is a winning strategy...
I'm playing PL H/L. I've tried a little NL, but I see a lot of aggressive players pushing all in preflop. In PL the shit stays cheap until the shit gets real.
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05/26> The moronic suckout is always going to be there-- you'll lose all manner of pots to pure bumbling idiocy.
Interesting. I got a few books this weekend, and they make this precise point: strong unmade draws in Omaha are often much better than made hands.
As in, you're better of with 17 outs to the nut straight than you are with top set on the flop, especially when factoring in implied odds (3-flushes and pairs on the board are action killers, but sucker straights pay off.)
So, it seems like the strategy is to do less hand-protecting and more speculation. Straights seem to be the big money hand because they're well concealed and because multiple people tend to hit straights at the same time.
The other big payoff seems to be underfull vs. overfull (I'm now acquiring an allergy to underfull)
Flushes are good for outdraws, but you won't get any action on the nut flush except MAYBE from the king or the queen flush.
So, the question is less "do I have the best hand now?" and more "do I look to have the nuts by the river?"
Still learning...
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05/26"Omaha is not a game, it's a disease. Rather than a book, seek psychiatric help."
Yep...might as well pick up Pan while your at it. <<shudders>>
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05/21Doyle Brunson's Supersystem 2 from Cardoza Publishing. The Supersystem books are a great starting place for most poker games, at least when it comes to cash game play. -
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05/21> Doyle Brunson's Supersystem 2
But of course. Good one. Others? -
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05/21You might just want to peruse Cardoza Book's website. They pretty much publish the best books on gaming. I see that both TJ Cloutier and Ken Warren have books on Omaha.
www.cardozabooks.com/books/o...-1-1.php
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